Curse

Dante the Warlord · Aug 03, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

I am a W/R

I want to buy a set of armor to help me and so far i have decided on platemail armor.

So ill have 15 swordsmanship, 13 strength, 5 tactics, and 5 beastiary. (thats if I use the runes, superior swordsmanship(already have), superior absorption (already have), minor strength, minor tactics, and superior vigor.)

I am using a gold MAX damage req. 8 sundering (20/20) crellenated blade (15%/-5 energy) of fortitude (+30) as well as an green MAX DEFENSE exalted aegis (9 strength, +30 health and something else, i think its like -5 damage while in stance?)

CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF THIS IS A GOOD IDEA?

SnipiousMax · Aug 03, 2006, 03:11 PM // 15:11

Platemail certainly is not a bad idea. Especially with someone as well funded as you are.

XvArchonvX · Aug 03, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Looks good to me.

Livingston · Aug 05, 2006, 06:03 PM // 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

I am a W/R

I want to buy a set of armor to help me and so far i have decided on platemail armor.

So ill have 15 swordsmanship, 13 strength, 5 tactics, and 5 beastiary. (thats if I use the runes, superior swordsmanship(already have), superior absorption (already have), minor strength, minor tactics, and superior vigor.)

I am using a gold MAX damage req. 8 sundering (20/20) crellenated blade (15%/-5 energy) of fortitude (+30) as well as an green MAX DEFENSE exalted aegis (9 strength, +30 health and something else, i think its like -5 damage while in stance?)

CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF THIS IS A GOOD IDEA?

Why not go with Sentinel's Armor if you are going to have strength 13? You'll get an extra 10 AL vs Elemental damage.

Livingston

Rera · Aug 05, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

It's -5 damage, 20% chance.

You have low energy, since you're not using glad's and you have a -5e sword, which I think are terrible ideas.

Explain why you want 13str (since you're not doing sentinel's armor), and why you think 5 tactics/beastmastery is useful. Without a skillbar none of your attributes are relevant.

Is this for PvP or PvE? Factions, Prophecies, or both?

Don't bother capitalizing "MAX", it's not impressive. Also don't type full sentences in caps if you want anyone to respect you.

Dante the Warlord · Aug 05, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

gosh.. i didn't mean to be mean...geez...

I wasn't trying to disrespect anyone, i was just in a hurry cause i had to go camping. And besides i already know MAX is not impressive i just want the glacers to have some look on wats going on. The important stuff i would like them to know is capitalized. There is no reason to mock me and try to degrade me Rera. Ok ... lets not be enemies :-).

I would only get 13 strength only when I have the platmail armor. I don't know much about the effects of sentenal armor, only that it has 100 AL level.

The reason i don't use gladiators armor is because i only rely on adreneline, not energy, although i do occasionally use energy, it is just to get the adreneline via beserkers stance, or maybe something else in the future.

Sentinals i may actually only get a maximum 12 strength...dunno about that armor specs. I am using 5 tactics and 5 beastmastery because it is something i just wanted to waste attribute points on. I don't really have any good tactics skills besides healing singet which i always use. And if you look at it, you can't heal if you get hit, meaning that you have to do it when all opponents are dead (dunno if that is accurate, but its from what I always do). I just got back to using my pet. Its really weak right now, but it'll prove to be some asset in the near future.... i hope...thats why im asking.

Rera · Aug 05, 2006, 10:01 PM // 22:01

If you're going 13str anyway, wear Sentinel. Provided you meet the requirement it's superior to platemail.

If you're going W/R, my suggestion is to take Tiger's Fury, put 9 points into Beastmastery, wear Glads, and drop the 15/-5e for a 15>50. Having 9 points in BM will also help your pet while you level it.

You're right in not using tactics skills, and you're basically right about healing signet, so there's no reason to sink points in that attribute.

I'm sorry if I read your post the wrong way, but I have absolutely no patience for people who type in caps. If you wanted glancers to get an idea about your post, you emphasized the wrong points anyway - in order to answer questions the most important things we need to know are: PvE or PvP? Factions and/or Prophecies? Skillbar? Purpose/Theme? The fact that you're using max equipment is irrelevant.

Dante the Warlord · Aug 05, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

Ah thanx...i get ur point better now...i don't rly think i can drop my sword anyway cause i pretty much bankrupted myself buyin it (100k +20ectos) and based on this forums rare skin list its not a bad deal. unless you can help me in game :-)... but its fine if you don't.

Im not sure if im going 13 strength...guess i could if sentinals provides plus 1 strength (dun wanna waste anymore health to superior runes and major runes). 9 beast mastery may help me at this point so i guess i could sink a few points in...however, i do rly think that i can't afford it, being that I already want to have at least 12 strength ( for extra armor penetration and things like that) and 15 swordsmanship, calculating now...the max i can get is about 6 or 7 mastery in beast mastery.

also to your questions:

1. PvE

2.
- Garlath Strike
- Sever Artery
- healing Singet
- Beserkers stance
- Gash
- Charm animal (for the pet lol)
- Endure Pain ( good combo with the healing singet if i want to run away)

3. Both Phrophecies and factions ( i am phropecies orginated)

4. Purpose/ Theme- guess to be a good all out offense attacker with cool gadgets

Also, ive been thinking of getting a crippling and poisoning longbow (don't care about reqs. just wanna get a big advantage form groups. Of course when he gets close enough ill switch weapons to sword and destroy him.

P.S. I just wanted to mention my equipment so ppl would have a good idea of what my stats are totally. Im pretty much a noob :-P.

Rera · Aug 05, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

12str is a waste unless you actually bring key skills that utilize strength (like Sprint for a running build). I'd take it down to a more reasonable 9~10 to free up points for BM. A 9s Tiger's Fury will benefit you more than 2% extra AP. Always try to max your weapon attribute.

I would stay away from Endure Pain unless you're going for the survivor titles. Your skillbar is also missing one skill and the elite slot.

Dante the Warlord · Aug 05, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

ok...so is Tiger's Fury an elite skill? If so than how do i get it? And I was missing IWAY...its really a last resort thing if i am the last one standing which usually aways happens. Ill take ur advice and see what I can do... BTW i never got a complete answer...Platemail or Sentinals and what runes?

Aisius · Aug 06, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

I'd suggest following Rera's advice and dump your sword -5e.

Visit http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Collector_rewards and try find a sword as Rera suggested, this in the long run will make or break most builds.

Glads is a good choice as having a hefty energy pool while spamming TF will help.

Could only see a reason for such high strength if you were relying on strength skills like dolyak signet. Also for an elite you may want to cap hundred blades or dragon slash.
For groups you'll need a res signet on your skill bar, maybe comfort animal if you plan on rezzing your pet and possibly a defensive stance or watch yourself. I assume that Berserkers stance would be replaced with Tigers fury.

*Added*Tigers Fury (proph) skill trainers Drokners forge or Emberlight camp, skill quest in Seekers passage, do a search on wiki for more details. Beastial Fury (factions) skill trainer Keineng City or Ran Musu Gardens.

EZE · Aug 06, 2006, 02:51 AM // 02:51

actualy no tigers fury is not an elite skill im not sure where u find it though.....

Dante the Warlord · Aug 06, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

But... i can't dump my sword :-(... i spent all 100k + 20 ectos of my money :-(. Besides id probably drop my sword if i could buy a level cool looking 7 requirement sword with max damage and 15^50.

I think ill get dragon's slash...where do I find that? Also...gladiators armor is not that great...i see it does +8 energy per peice...but thats not very good anyway since i only use about 5 energy per battle anyways. mostly thats beserker's stance cause i need to get adreneline. So this is the way i fight:

Start: Berserker's stance--> wait to fill up adrenaline---> sever artery (vs. those with flesh) -----> gash ---------> garalth strike -------> (my energy bar generally refills in that time so) ------> beserker's stance, rinse and repeat.

mitch herbort · Aug 06, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

sentinels is great if u can meet the requirements, but if u cant i would suggest glads, i know u say u dont use that much energy but if ur ever gonna change ur build, its always nice to have extra energy. OH one more thing do u have a farming build for w/r? because the only ones ive seen are for totem farming. thanks in advance.

PS. IS CAPS REALLY THAT BAD?

Dante the Warlord · Aug 06, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

lol i guess caps are bad...

Anyways i may get sentinals, but i don't know what it looks like, because i really enjoy platemails appearence, as well as the luxon 15k. Personally, i don't really have a "build" i just like to hack and slash like Dante from Devil May Cry for PS2. But I would like to have an awesome appearence. Obsidian armor is ugly in my own opinion anyways so i never even considered that one (you end up looking like a teapot). Platemail 15k is cool one cause you can end up looking like a "Dark Knight" or like a cylon from battlestar galactica :-p. Luxon armor 15k is pretty cool, but I don't know the specs and I haven't ventured far into Cantha at all. in fact i haven't started it yet, besides getting to the first mission.

and thanx so far guys for helping me

Dante the Warlord · Aug 06, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

And also, im taking rera's advice and dropping the tactics, healing singet is useless in battle. im trying to get beastmastery to 7 :-), it stinks that i can't use ranger runes :-(.

Dante the Warlord · Aug 06, 2006, 04:11 PM // 16:11

last in a row post... i swear...

anyways...i forgot to tell rera that i like strength because its adds to my armor penetration, although 1%...13% plus my swords already 20% is super sweet.

Dante the Warlord · Aug 07, 2006, 12:17 AM // 00:17

B U M P

Livingston · Aug 07, 2006, 01:34 AM // 01:34

Do not get gladiator armor. It’s obvious from what you've been saying that you will not benefit from it at all. From what you have posted so far you don't seem to have a very good grasp of how armor works or how some of the game mechanics work. So I think by the time you get to the point where you do and would actually want to use gladiators, you will have more than enough money to get a new suit of armor.

If you are truly not going to get an armor simply because you don't like the looks of it, or you are going to get a set of armor because you do like the looks of it, then go with the 15k Luxon armor that you said you like. With the Luxon armor you can get any type you want and it will look the same. If you are going to constantly use a build with 13 strength then you should buy the Sentinel's version of the Luxon armor, as it’s the best warrior armor there is in terms of defense, the only draw back being that you have to have 13 strength in order for it to work (so no it does not give you strength as you implied above, you must have that strength for it to function correctly). If you are not going to have 13 strength then you should go with the Dreadnought’s version of the Luxon armor, as that will give you the best AL without you have to do something specific to maintain it (like keeping a stance or 13 strength).

However, I would suggest that you do not do the above at all. Instead you should do the following. If you don’t, then you should do the above.

Before anyone else can “really” help you in this thread you seriously need to do the following things:

At the top of this forum are stickys. They are sticky for a reason. You need to read them first.

1) Warrior Build Directory Submissions

Go through every page and search for any W/R builds you can find. Copy them down into word.

2) Warrior Basics

This may not have anything in it specific to Ranger, but you should still read it just to see how warrior works with other classes, and to see what skills usually remain regardless of secondary classes.

3) Important Warrior Posts

As the name implies this is one of the most important sections for you to read. Read it all and read everything. Every Link! If you don't or can't then there is no sense wasting your time asking about things in this thread.

Even if you can't understand it all at this point in time, your brain will still absorb a lot of it if you actually make the effort to read it carefully and don't skip over things. Then when you get to the point where that information will make sense, your mind will already have a basic familiarity with it and that will help a lot in understanding what you need to do next, or what armor you will need at that point, or what build.

As you are reading those three thread please refer to the following two links:

Warrior Armor
Warrior Skills

Don't worry too much about the armor section for now as it may be difficult to understand how they have grouped the armor and their properties, it's not very noob friendly, but as you read about armor in the sticky threads and you look it up on here, it should gradually become clear exactly how each armor works and when you will need it.

As for the skills, you can click on each one and it will give you a full description of each skill, where you can get it, and even sometimes tips on how best to use it.

If you are playing this game Guildwiki should become your 2nd bible.

Now go back to the builds that you copied into word and look up the different skills in each and try to figure out why they used the combinations they used.

Once you have read every-single-bit of the above information. Then you should come back here and ask any further questions you may have.

Good Huntin' (Gambatte)

Livingston

Livingston · Aug 07, 2006, 01:43 AM // 01:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

And also, im taking rera's advice and dropping the tactics, healing singet is useless in battle. im trying to get beastmastery to 7 :-), it stinks that i can't use ranger runes :-(.

Healing signet is far from useless in battle, especially PvE. You simply have to know how and when to use it, and how to cover yourself as you do. If you have a good healer then you won't need it. If you are using henchies you will or if you are using PUGs you will.

Livingston